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  • #15550
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    Vladimir
    Participant

    can I make Zarplotter 2000 mm by 2000 mm ?

    #15551
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    The software allows it. The hardware should be able to handle it. Try and report your results. We are here to help 🙂

    #15552
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    Vladimir
    Participant

    Hello!
    I added to the file zarplotter.h
    #define HAS_SD // comment this out if there is no SD card
    #define HAS_LCD // comment this out if there is no SMART LCD controller
    and i see in monitor arduino
    17 Change to black
    Click to continue

    if click i see

    The path of the gondola on the display in Makelangelo-7.15.3-with-dependencies.jar and the path drawn – do not match, you can not see where the gondola is at the moment. Judging by the display, it spins around the home position.

    In all versions, after pressing the “pause” button, the servo lifts the pencil, after “unpause” the machine continues to work from the stopped place, but the pencil remains raised.

    /////////////////////////////////////////

    HELLO WORLD! I AM ZARPLOTTER #19027
    Firmware v8
    D10
    == https://www.marginallyclever.com/ ==
    M100 – display this message
    M101 [Tx.xx] [Bx.xx] [Rx.xx] [Lx.xx]
    – display/update board dimensions.
    As well as the following G-codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-code):
    G00,G01,G02,G03,G04,G28,G90,G91,G92,M18,M114

    HELLO WORLD! I AM ZARPLOTTER #19027
    Firmware v8
    == https://www.marginallyclever.com/ ==
    M100 – display this message
    M101 [Tx.xx] [Bx.xx] [Rx.xx] [Lx.xx]
    – display/update board dimensions.
    As well as the following G-codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-code):
    G00,G01,G02,G03,G04,G28,G90,G91,G92,M18,M114

    > D10 V6
    M101 A0 T1000 B-1000
    M101 A1 T1000 B-1000
    M101 A2 T170 B10
    G92 X0.0 Y0.0
    D6 X0 Y0
    G0 F6500 A7000
    M17

    > (-1000.00,0.00,10.00) – (1000.00,1000.00,0.00)

    > Saving dimensions.
    (-1000.00,-1000.00,10.00) – (1000.00,1000.00,0.00)

    > Saving dimensions.
    (-1000.00,-1000.00,10.00) – (1000.00,1000.00,170.00)

    N8 M117*44
    N9 G00 X110.526 Y-289.474*57
    BADLINENUM 0 // ?? marked in red

    N0 G90*16
    BADLINENUM 0 // ?? marked in red

    N0 G90*16
    N1 G00 F500 Z45*48
    BADLINENUM 1 // ?? marked in red

    N1 G00 F500 Z45*48
    N2 G00 F6500*126
    BADLINENUM 2 // ?? marked in red

    N2 G00 F6500*126
    N3 M06 T0*82
    BADLINENUM 3 // ?? marked in red

    N3 M06 T0*82
    N4 G00 F5500 A7000*29
    BADLINENUM 4 // ?? marked in red

    N4 G00 F5500 A7000*29
    N5 M117 Change to black Click to continue*47
    BADLINENUM 5 // ?? marked in red

    N5 M117 Change to black Click to continue*47
    N6 M300 S60 P250*20
    BADLINENUM 6 // ?? marked in red

    N6 M300 S60 P250*20
    N7 M226*34
    BADLINENUM 7 // ?? marked in red

    N7 M226*34
    ////////////////////////////////////////
    generate art “Fibonacci”
    ///////////////////////////////////////
    G00 F500 Z45
    G00 F6500
    Generator=Dragon Fractal
    4104 line segments. 4382.417cm Estimated draw time: 13m6s .
    Completed
    Generator=Fibonacci Spiral Fractal
    184 line segments. 961.2917cm Estimated draw time: 1m4s .
    Completed
    M110 N0
    N0 G90*16
    BADLINENUM 8 // ?? marked in red

    N8 M117*44
    BADLINENUM 1 // ?? marked in red

    N1 G00 F500 Z45*48
    N2 G00 F6500*126
    N3 M06 T0*82
    N4 G00 F5500 A7000*29
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    N7 M226*34
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    G00 F500 Z45
    G00 F6500

    mashine 2000 mm X 2000 mm
    paper 700 mm X 1000 mm
    what am I doing wrong?

    #15556
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    Well… I know about the “17 Please change” and I just pushed a fix for that (should remove the 17).

    I’m not sure why the zarplotter simulation is 1/10th the size it should be, yet. I will be looking at it this weekend. I think it’s a mistake in Makelangelo-software but ONLY in the zarplotter display.

    #15557
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster
    #15585
    Avatar
    Vladimir
    Participant

    Hello.
    I can not adjust the correct motor motion (1) (Y) top right. the engine always rotates in one direction.
    If I change the wires, the motor rotates in the other direction, but always in the same direction.
    I changed the motors in places, swapped the wires and drivers …
    Nothing helped.
    Arduino ATmega 2560 + Ramps 1.4 + Nema 17

    #15586
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    I am about to leave on an 8 day vacation and I doubt I’ll get to look into this until my return. I have scheduled it for the day after I get back so that I don’t forget to investigate. I apologize for the delay.

    #15587
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    Vladimir
    Participant

    I replaced the pins from motor 1 to motor 4 and it all worked!
    There may be a problem in ramps or an arduino board …
    But it will not hurt to check!)))
    Thank you.
    Have a nice rest!))

    #15588
    Avatar
    Vladimir
    Participant

    Little sorry that failed to fix the problem with the display of the gondola path in the software, but you must rest !!! We will very much wait for you from vacation!)))

    #15708
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    Amin
    Participant

    Hi folks, here’s another guy just getting ready to try out the Zarplotter. Dan, hope you had a nice vacation.

    First question: In configure.h, I see the list of supported boards, but what I have is unfortunately not listed; the “CNC v3 shield” for Arduino Uno (4 motor outputs).

    Picture: https://872c4715dbe9f10b83d1-0b39dab3ba460c18aad59cf32aacf5c8.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/TE623-E-10-9.jpg
    On Aliexpress: https://aliexpress.com/store/product/CNC-Shield-Expansion-Board-V3-0-UNO-R3-Board-for-for-Arduino-4pcs-Stepper-Motor-Driver/217987_32817440363.html

    Where/how can I add this shield in the code? Is it only a matter of changing pin numbers or will this be a major operation? If so, I guess it’s just easiest to just buy a Arduino Mega + RAMPS shield – if RAMPS is now confirmed to fully work.

    Thanks!

    #15711
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    I’ve never played with this shield.

    IN THEORY I would make a new file boardName.h, probably a copy of some other board.h, then change the values inside to match the new board.

    HOWEVER UNO is not supported in the current firmware because it doesn’t have enough internal clocks to do all the work. It could do a really half-assed job of starting and stopping between commands, but your drawings would look bad, take much longer, and generally be more disappointing, for a lot of code maintenance headache. Bad return on investment.

    Having said that, it’s only because I’m one guy. If you want to maintain support for the board, please be my guest. Send me a pull request any time.

    #15719
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    Amin
    Participant

    I read you loud and clear – ordering Arduino Mega + RAMPS right away. 😉

    Is RAMPS fully supported now btw, I read above that there has been some issues?

    #15720
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    Vladimir
    Participant

    Migration on the Uno does not make sense, it’s cheaper to buy Arduino Mega + RAMPS.
    Time = money
    Will be faster and cheaper.

    #15723
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    @vladimir My 40th birthday is coming up. For me time > money.

    #15794
    Avatar
    Vladimir
    Participant

    How to connect a stepper motor instead of a servomotor?
    I want to make a gondola with a pencil lift, it’s uncomfortable to push off the paper – you can smear the drawing …
    Stepper motor from dvd would be more convenient to use.
    Is there a simple solution or is it too difficult?

    The system with levers is complex and weak, many details, loss of frictional force …

    #19320
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    birrelln
    Participant

    Having some issues with my Zarplotter.

    Using a MKS Gen-L with A4988 drivers. This is one of those all-in one RAMPS clones with replaceable drivers.

    I am having the same issue as Miguel earlier where X and Y are inverted. Switched motor wires around but it didn’t seem to fix the issues. Switching E0 and X makes things move in the expected direction but I assume that would introduce other issues. Not too worried about the inverted directions right now as my larger issue is that it seems to lose tension \ skip steps quickly.

    I have successfully used the same board and drivers in Polargraph configuration so I believe them to be working.

    Am I correct in assuming that due to the design of the motor mounts, I can put the size of the physicsal board (610mm x 610mm) into the Makelangelo software and that will be correct for machine size? Looks like the M101 then sets things correctly as +-305…

    I have access to an MKS Base 1.4 RAMPS type board with integrated drivers that I may swap out to see if it works. This should rule out any board\driver issues with the Gen-L.

    What are people using for acceleration and drawing speeds for the Zarplotter?

    -Nate

    #19328
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    birrelln
    Participant

    Progress!

    Switched to the MKS Base 1.4 board. Problems persisted. Realized I didn’t have a true inversion but two motors were spinning the wrong way and fighting things. Switched directions on two motors and there was some improvement. Still losing tension with a machine size of my board of 610 x 610.

    Switched back to the MKS Gen-L board. Switching boards made me realize I needed to juice up the VREF on two driver boards. Some improvement.

    Played around with machine size as that is all there was left really. Changed to 800. Much worse. Changed to 500. Almost perfect! Draws very well. Don’t know why, but maybe that is just my sleep addled brain from two sick kids, one who is also teething. Need to play around with that number. And connect the servo.

    Anywho, I think I am missing the core concept of how the machine width works.

    #19363
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    Are you adjusting the width in the firmware each time you change the physical size of the machine? The machine has to be told how big it is for the math to work correctly.

    #19763
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    Anonymous

    Where does one adjust the width in the firmware? I think this is my problem, as I have never adjusted it – I can’t seem to find it, I would assume configure.h, but I don’t see it.

    #19771
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    Amin
    Participant

    I think you have to do this with GCODE. The term to use is:

    M101 A0 Tnnnn B-nnnn – where n is Top and Bottom values of X axis
    M101 A1 Tnnnn B-nnnn – same for Y axis

    See this pic:
    https://i2.wp.com/preview.ibb.co/eYTLQS/Setup.png?zoom=1.25&resize=500%2C500&ssl=1

    #19776
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    the size of the machine is set in the software, in the settings panel.

    #19931
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    Anonymous

    Help! i finally got my zarplotter calibrated and it’s printing nice borders. BUT everytime I give it art, it just dies, sits there, doesn’t move!! I tried art from a pic and also render art, nothing. PLEASE help

    It will spit this out and not move:

    2044 line segments. 1674.4379cm Estimated draw time: 6m38s .
    Completed
    M110 N0
    N0 G90*16
    N1 M06 T0*80
    N2 G00 F6500 A1000*30
    N3 M117 Change to black Click to continue*41
    N4 M300 S60 P250*22
    N5 M226*32

    #19932
    Dan
    Dan
    Keymaster

    M300 is beep command.
    M226 is wait for user input. It’s expecting you to press a button on the LCD panel normally attached to the RUMBA board. This is so that the robot starts only when you confirm the pen is ready.

    You could edit the gcode to remove M226. A longer way would be to tweak makelangelo software with a “I do not have an LCD screen” option.

    #19933
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    Anonymous

    D’oh!!! thank you for the quick response! Now, i’m excited again!! i have a LCD screen – I’ll just plug it in 🙂 Awesome! Thanks again.

    #20998
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    Saturn49
    Participant

    I’ve embarked on making a 4-motor machine on a larger scale – say 5m x 5m. At first I discounted makelangelo because I thought it only did 2 motors but came back to it after I found it does 4. In the mean time I had started on the math and got a bit overwhelmed with the pathing. I suspect I made the problem more complicated than it needed to be, but I wanted to handle acceleration and deceleration of the stepper motors within their limits while maintaining accuracy and as close to constant speed of the drawing mechanism as possible. From the comments in this thread it appears that there may have been issues like that at first with the zarplotter. Can anyone comment on this issue or point me to the code that does the conversion from cartesian coordinates to motor steps? How is acceleration and deceleration handled?

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